Wednesday, August 25, 2010

some discussions worth noting on UUC

Ubuntu Users List is the mailing list where Ubuntu Users can post about their problems, discussions, ideas etc.
Now I had to add that the etc because from following discussions you can see the etc stretching too far. 
From: Ric Moore

On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 08:19 -0700, Johnneylee Rollins wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

> >
> > Because the word contained "rape".
> >
> > Don't want to read something? Simply hit the NEXT button...
> You know, of all the things that's okay to joke about, you've hit one
> of the things that really really isn't?
> Kindly don't use rape as a tool to make some inane point, it's
> entirely inappropriate. Especially here.

I think it's a perfectly valid point, as people who run servers
configure these filters for their users to abide with. There are 5 forms
of abuse: physical, emotional, intellectual, sexual and spiritual.
Abuse, in any of these forms, can be elevated to the point of felony
rape ...but we, as a society, focus on the sexual version and not it's
cousins to our detriment, spreading fear and ignorance.

My point is that filtering out "rape" would preclude a discussion of
emotional rape, or (what seems to get bandied around here) intellectual
rape. Abuse, extreme enough, is philosophically rape, if not legally.
So, better to be thoughtful of how you set your filters for a mail list.
Especially if "skyscrapers" gets tossed because the letters r and a and
p and e are in sequence within another harmless word.

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256


From: Res

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Basil Chupin wrote:

> Firstly, please, drop your signature line for the reasons I gave and to
> which Robert agreed.

? really, didnt see it, but because you are not a moderator here, read my
mind on what I think of your self appointed net-cop wish, IOW, GGF.

Secondly if Robert dislikes being credited, he should not make such public
statements in the first place, additionally, he could contact me offlist
asking me to remove his name, if he did I would show him respect and
remove his "name" credit, but to date he has failed to do so.

> Secondly, please don't use "STFU". Someone else did and I now have him
> in my "send to the latrine file".

whooop whooop self appointed net cop alert - IOW, go cry to someone who
might give a toss, if your offended that easily, you should never sub to
a mailing list, usenet group, nor to any public web forum either, or maybe
you would prefere me to use the actual words.


"Why would you watch the comedy channel when you have the ubuntu users mailing list" - Robert Day

From : Res

Karl, FFS, grow up.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Karl Larsen wrote:

> On 08/23/2010 07:33 AM, ms wrote:
>> On 23/08/10 14:19, Basil Chupin wrote:
>>> It's all very much subjective, isn't?
>>> And it is a problem.
>>> What sort of blocking mechanism are you suggesting?
>>> My wife participates in a couple of forums and she typed, "skyscraper"
>>> in one of her posts - and this got REJECTED!
>>> Why?
>>> Because the word contained "rape".
>> What has silly word-based filtering to do with the issue?
>>> Don't want to read something? Simply hit the NEXT button...
>> The problem is not me. I am completely fine reading Karl messages, they
>> amuse me a lot. The problem is less knowleadgeable people that google
>> this list archives in search of a solution, see his posts and take them
>> as meaningful. It's misleading information, that's not what a technical
>> support mailing list should contain. Much worse than plain spam.
>> m.
> This message contains no questions or answers about the Ubuntu
> Operating system. It should not be on this list. Please stop doing this.
> Thank you.
> --
> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI
> Linux User
> #450462
> Key ID = 3951B48D

From: Ric

On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 10:50 -0400, Douglas Pollard wrote:
> On 08/24/2010 10:27 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
> >> :
> >> If the moderator of the group doesn't step in and put a stop to this,
> >> I'm afraid most people will just depart the list and leave it to become
> >> a venue for shooting the proverbial s..t!!!
> >>
> > I already suggested another moderated list self hosted, but no one
> > wanted it. One conclusion is that most of all enjoy staying here, with
> > the current state :-)
> >
> >
> All this is just too much. I'll see you guys in about a month and
> hopefully this will all be straightened out . Doug

I think Karl actually hit on something. Lucid is pretty tight, there
isn't much breakage and the people posting problems get answers and
suggestions in zero time. We're just bored and here is where we hang.

Geeks of a feather flock together. It's not like we're getting paid to
hang around. :) Ric


Thankfully I check the UUC ( Ubuntu Users List) on weekly basis only. And even then I just go through the headers only!

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